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a decade. bill clinton's first budget director. his chief of staff. you left for a while. they almost got you to run for governor i think of california. then cia director and then secretary of defense. it is you, jim baker, donald rumsfeld, dick cheney, you're on this mount rushmore of guys that have held every office other than the president. >> it's been a hell of a ride. i really enjoyed it. in many ways. you know, it's kind of the son of italian immigrants i've kind of lived the american dream, which is i've gotten a lot of opportunities to serve the country. and i've been able to do some great things. i really, you know, in the end i used to ask my father why as an immigrant he came to the united states. he said because we wanted to make sure our children had a better life. i hope that that's my legacy that in some way in all those jobs i gave our children a better life. >> i want to ask you a little about all of it, but i want to start with we've now had back-to-back secretary of defense that did a stint as head of the cia. how important was that stint? having that experience at the
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